obama and jimmy carter, richard nixon, these are folks who get the ultimate prize but are fundamentally introverted personalities, right? president obama by no account would enjoy beingn a big, crd room unless it was with some distance. >> i think all presidential nominees have a genetic disorder. >> there is sort of -- >> it could be learned. >> but they're notike lenoetend. it is different. >> speaking of genes -- >> to me, it's a really interesting historical question why these folks choose this business and do pretty well but got the natural kind of tragic mit. >> yeah, itdoes sone w a tpo about the president not scheduling any meetings with foreign leaders? obviously the polar opposite of the guy we're interviewing next hour, bill clinton. >> well, you know, i think there are two possibilities. d i'm not sureuy either one. one is that it is strictly a political decision not to make news. but, you know, the other is that there's nothing to talk about. and clearly, there's a lot to talk about, right? with, you know, you couldal ov like the arab spring and afghanistan and this and tha